warren buffet is all for higher taxes. do you see him moving first? no. he will move when everybody else moves. they are against subsidies, but if you don't take subsidisies, you will lose. they spend more of their lobbying budget against it. they successfully got rid of the ethanol subsidy. i think smart businesses understand that subsidies are not good for business. they are not good for your business, because you are dependant upon washington, and it's better to invest in assets in manufacturing than lawbyists in washington. and i think the smart people in capitalism get that. >> yeah. and to be clear, i was just saying they employ so many union employees it seemed to behoove us to talk about that as well. what happens next? >> well, there's one son chase, he's 35, and he is somewhere in the org chart. obviously they don't talk directly about succession. i think it will be survive the death of the two shareholders. this is not a small company, $115 billion in revenue. so they probably won't have to sell it off to pay death taxes but i think they have a